c.d. bo post mi sie wyslal za wczesnie:


> > No coz, kiedy Dr Barry_Marshall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall
> > postawil hipoteze iz Helicobacter pylorii wywoluje wrzody zoladka to
> > po prostu wypil owe bakterie, wywolal u siebie tym samym chorobe
> > wrzodowa nastepnie wyleczyl to antybiotykami. Dostal za to Nobla.
>
> Mylisz sie, B. Marshall nie dostal Nagrody Nobala za to, ze wypil bakterie
> Helico.pylorii. tylko za, cytuje zdanie ktore znalazlem w linku przez Ciebie
> podanym:

> discovery of the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and its role in gastritis and
> peptic ulcer.
>
> (widzisz roznice w informacji?)


Dalej...na podanej przez Ciebie stronie, znalazlem link do ciekawej
publikacji, z ktora warto sie zapoznac.

Mnie szczegolnie zainteresowaly nastepujace informacje:

* An interesting article appeared in New Scientist a couple of years ago. It
turns out that H. pylori lives in “around half the world’s
population” and “in
parts of the developing world as many as 90 percent of the population carries
the bug,” but “only a fraction of these people ever get sick”
(Hamilton 2001).
Thus it may be a commensal after all. Of more concern is that it may protect
against esophageal cancer, a disease that is recently on the rise even as
rates of H. pylori carriage are falling. The question of whether it is wise to
eradicate H. pylori thus remains open. Such is the nature of science: to march
on. To Marshall’s credit, I found the article linked from his own H. pylori
laboratory Web site (Helicobacter pylori Research Laboratory 2004).

* Everyone who has taken a microbiology course in the past few decades is
aware that there are bacteria adapted to conditions far harsher than inside
the stomach, including some that live at near-boiling temperatures and others
that use ether—usually a powerful disinfectant—as a food source. Everyone
who
has studied histology and physiology knows that changes in the body’s
microenvironment, including acidity, can be dramatic over very small distances
(measured in microns). The means by which H. pylori withstands the stomach’s
acid environment have been largely elucidated. The organism has a membrane
that is particularly impermeable to acid. The membrane also contains
acid-dependent urea channels that begin to admit urea from the stomach juices
when the pH is a mere 6 (10,000 times less acidic than the normal stomach pH
of 2). The urea is then rapidly transformed to ammonia via the enzyme urease,
which the bacterium produces in abundance. Because ammonia is a base, this
produces a tiny region of non-acidic space within which the bacterium dwells
(Sachs et al. 2003).

Although these mechanisms were not known at the time that H. pylori was
discovered, the plausibility of such mechanisms existing was never an issue.
To argue otherwise is to conjure a “straw man.” After all, similar
organisms
had already been described in the equally acidic stomachs of other mammals.
The only questions that investigators in 1983 asked were: Are the bacteria
really there, and if so, what do they do?

Tutaj wklejam Ci ten ciekawy link:


http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-11/bacteria.html



> > Jesli powaznie wierzysz w to co wypisywac raczysz to domyslasz sie co
> > powinienes zrobic...?

A na jakiej podstawie piszesz, ze ja w cos powaznie wierze? Mozesz pokazac mi
to miejsce w moich postach, gdzie tak napisalem?

Rowniez nie domyslam sie, dlaczego mialbym przeprowadzac na sobie,
doswiadczenia tak jak to zrobil Barry Marshall.
To nie ja jestem autorem publikacji ktore tylko tu podalem. Ponadto nie wien
czy wiesz, ale:

* po pierwsze doswiadczenia przeprowadza sie na szczurach.

* po drugie, takie doswiadczenie moglby ewentualnie wykonac na sobie
prof. Peter Duesberg, ktory jest autorem innej hipotezy AIDS.

* po trzecie, jest to grupa dyskusyjna i ja zwrocilem sie do lekarza o
wypowiedz na temat publikacji naukowych ktore przedstawiaja alternatywne
hipotezy na temat zwiazkow HIV z AIDS.

Potrafisz cos sensownego na ten temat tych alternatywnych PUBLIKACJI NAUKOWYCH
napisac ?

Jesli tak, to bardzo Cie prosze o wypowiedz.


> > Jak to mawiaja anglosasi: put up or shut up! (dotyczy to wszyskich
> > "myslicieli" negujacych na tym etapie zwiazek HIV ->AIDS).

Alez mistrzu, z ta zlota mysla zwroc sie do prof.Petera Duesberga, a nie do mnie.




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