Re: jak dzieci postrzegaja ideal matki?

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1. Data: 2004-03-17 19:56:45

Temat: Re: jak dzieci postrzegaja ideal matki?
Od: "Eliza" <e...@w...pl> szukaj wiadomości tego autora

Użytkownik "Kania" <k...@p...onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
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> Witajcie.
>
> Szukalam w necie, ale niewiele udalo mi sie znalezc na temat tego, jak
> dzieci postrzegaja ideal matki. Czy ma to zwiazek z tym jaka osoba jest
ich
> matka?
>
> Moje pytanie wzielo sie stad, ze w jakims pismie czytalam rozmowe z
> 9-letnimi chlopcami, ktorych mama jest kobieta pracujaca, robiaca kariere.
I
> Ci chlopcy, na pytanie, jaka powinna byc mama stwierdzili, ze... powinna
> siedziec w domu, gotowac obiady, zajmowac sie dziecmi.
>
> Z jednej strony rozumiem, zal, bo nie spedza z nimi tyle czasu ile by
> chcieli, ale z drugiej strony, czy pozniej, jak juz dziecko podrosnie,
> schemat wyniesiony z domu nie staje sie wlasnie takim idealem?
>
> Moze ktos zna jakies badania z tym zwiazane? Bylabym bardzo wdzieczna za
> podpowiedzi.
>
> Kania

kilkanaście lat temu, zostalo stwierdzone, że kobiety są dyskryminowane, i
zaczęto inaczej wychowywać dzieci. (Przeprowadzono badania, i tak w skrucie:
dziwczynki w wieku lat 13-14 marzyly o tym by mieć dom, rodzinę,
dzieci...chlopcy - żeby mieć kasę, firmę, skończona dobrą szkolę. )
Po kilku latach, sytuacja sie nie zmienila, mimo, że nauczyciele
jednoglosnie mówili, że jest zupelnie inne podejście do wychowania. Zaczęto
szukać, gdzie jest problem, i okazalo się, że wszystko zaczyna się już w
pierwszych podręcznikach. A mianowicie - rodzina to, mama gotująca i
sprzątająca i uśmiechnięta razem z dziećmi, a tatuś...w pracy; dziwczynki
niegrzeczne to takie, które placzą, bo mają plamę na sukience, a chlopcy
wybijają szybę...dzieci są ladne, nie w okularach, nie grube, nie
kalekie...itp, itd.
tu jest pies pogrzebany.....chcialo by się rzec - niech spoczywa w spokoju,
ale chyba lepiej nie.....(o:

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2. Data: 2004-03-23 21:52:43

Temat: Re: jak dzieci postrzegaja ideal matki?
Od: bulba <b...@b...com> szukaj wiadomości tego autora

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:56:45 +0100, "Eliza" <e...@w...pl>
wrote:

>
>U?ytkownik "Kania" <k...@p...onet.pl> napisa3 w wiadomo?ci
>news:c39f8e$15t$1@news.onet.pl...
>> Witajcie.
>>
>> Szukalam w necie, ale niewiele udalo mi sie znalezc na temat tego, jak
>> dzieci postrzegaja ideal matki. Czy ma to zwiazek z tym jaka osoba jest
>ich
>> matka?
>>
>> Moje pytanie wzielo sie stad, ze w jakims pismie czytalam rozmowe z
>> 9-letnimi chlopcami, ktorych mama jest kobieta pracujaca, robiaca kariere.
>I
>> Ci chlopcy, na pytanie, jaka powinna byc mama stwierdzili, ze... powinna
>> siedziec w domu, gotowac obiady, zajmowac sie dziecmi.
>>
>> Z jednej strony rozumiem, zal, bo nie spedza z nimi tyle czasu ile by
>> chcieli, ale z drugiej strony, czy pozniej, jak juz dziecko podrosnie,
>> schemat wyniesiony z domu nie staje sie wlasnie takim idealem?
>>
>> Moze ktos zna jakies badania z tym zwiazane? Bylabym bardzo wdzieczna za
>> podpowiedzi.
>>
>> Kania
>
>kilkana?cie lat temu, zostalo stwierdzone, ?e kobiety s? dyskryminowane, i
>zaczeto inaczej wychowywaa dzieci. (Przeprowadzono badania, i tak w skrucie:
>dziwczynki w wieku lat 13-14 marzyly o tym by miea dom, rodzine,
>dzieci...chlopcy - ?eby miea kase, firme, skonczona dobr? szkole. )
>Po kilku latach, sytuacja sie nie zmienila, mimo, ?e nauczyciele
>jednoglosnie mówili, ?e jest zupelnie inne podej?cie do wychowania. Zaczeto
>szukaa, gdzie jest problem, i okazalo sie, ?e wszystko zaczyna sie ju? w
>pierwszych podrecznikach. A mianowicie - rodzina to, mama gotuj?ca i
>sprz?taj?ca i u?miechnieta razem z dzieami, a tatu?...w pracy; dziwczynki
>niegrzeczne to takie, które placz?, bo maj? plame na sukience, a chlopcy
>wybijaj? szybe...dzieci s? ladne, nie w okularach, nie grube, nie
>kalekie...itp, itd.
>tu jest pies pogrzebany.....chcialo by sie rzec - niech spoczywa w spokoju,
>ale chyba lepiej nie.....(o:

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Toy choice among boys, girls a matter of monkey business
Posted on Tuesday, December 10 @ 18:27:40 PST by BJS

Sure Santa Claus asks boys and girls what toys they want, but why
they want them is a better question. The answer may have to do with a
biological pre-wiring that influences boys' and girls' preferences
based on the early roles of males and females. It's commonly believed
that boys and girls learn what types of toys they should like based
solely on society's expectations, but psychologist Gerianne
Alexander's work with vervet monkeys is challenging that notion.
Alexander examined the monkeys as they interacted with toys. She and
her collaborator, Melissa Hines of the University of London, found
that the monkeys' toy preferences were consistent along gender lines
with those of human children. Though the monkeys had no concept of a
"boy" toy and a "girl" toy, they still showed the same gender
preferences in playing with the toys, Alexander says. That is,
compared to female monkeys, male monkeys spent more time with "boy"
toys, and the female monkeys, compared to their male counterparts,
spent more time with "girl" toys.

From the Texas A&M University:

Toy choice among boys, girls a matter of monkey business

Sure Santa Claus asks boys and girls what toys they want, but, why
they want them is a better question. The answer may have to do with a
biological pre-wiring that influences boys' and girls' preferences
based on the early roles of males and females, says a Texas A&M
University psychologist.
It's commonly believed that boys and girls learn what types of toys
they should like based solely on society's expectations, but
psychologist Gerianne Alexander's work with vervet monkeys is
challenging that notion.

Alexander, whose research focuses on sex differences in behavior and
the biological factors that influence them, examined the monkeys as
they interacted with toys. She and her collaborator, Melissa Hines of
the University of London, found that the monkeys' toy preferences were
consistent along gender lines with those of human children. The study
was published earlier this year in "Evolution and Human Behavior."

Though the monkeys had no concept of a "boy" toy and a "girl" toy,
they still showed the same gender preferences in playing with the
toys, Alexander says. That is, compared to female monkeys, male
monkeys spent more time with "boy" toys, and the female monkeys,
compared to their male counterparts, spent more time with "girl" toys,
she notes.

"Masculine toys and feminine toys," Alexander says, "are clearly
categories constructed by people. However, our finding that male and
female vervet monkeys show similar preferences for these toys as boys
and girls do, suggests that what makes a 'boy toy' and a 'girl toy' is
more than just what society dictates - it suggests that there may be
perceptual cues that attract males or females to particular objects
such as toys."

In the experiment, Alexander says, male monkeys spent more time
playing with traditional male toys such as a car and a ball than did
female monkeys. The female monkeys, however, spent more time playing
with a doll and pot than did the males. What's more, both male and
female monkeys spent about the same amount of time with "gender
neutral" toys such as a picture book and a stuffed dog.

The implication is that what makes a "girl toy" and what makes a "boy
toy" isn't just human society or stereotypes but rather something
innate that draws boys and girls to different types of toys, she
explains.

Alexander believes her findings suggests that there are certain
aspects of objects that appeal to the specific sexes and that these
aspects may relate to traditional male and female functions dating
back to the dawn of the species.

She says the toys preferred by boys - the ball and the car - are
described as objects with the ability to be used actively and be
propelled through space. Though the specific reasons behind the
monkeys' preferences have yet to be determined, she says, the
preferences for these objects might exist because they afford greater
opportunities for rough and active play - something characteristic of
male play. Also, the motion capabilities of the object could be
related to the navigating abilities that are useful for hunting,
locating food or finding a mate.

Males, she says, may therefore have evolved preferences for objects
that invite movement.

On the other hand, females may have evolved preferences for object
color, relating to their roles as nurturers, Alexander notes. A
preference for red or pink - the color of the doll and pot - has been
proposed to elicit female behaviors toward infants that enhance infant
survival, such as contact.

Alexander says that the stereotyping of toys in society probably
unknowingly builds on these types of innate preferences.