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1. Data: 2001-11-29 22:24:46

Temat: Re: Przekonywanie
Od: "PowerBox" <p...@p...onet.pl> szukaj wiadomości tego autora

> Do podrywania dziewczyn?
> A czy mógłbyś mi coś o tym więcej napisać? Jeżeli to coś pomoże to :
> mam 15 lat i próbuję poderwać pewną dziewczynę z mojej klasy.

Jeżeli chodzi o to, to moje zdanie jest takie, że najlepsze efekty można
uzyskać (jak wszędzie z resztą) stając się innym, lepszym człowiekiem. W tym
temacie jak poprawisz o 1% lubienie siebie, lubienie dziewczyn, pewność
siebie, ogólną pozytywną postawę, spokój ducha i wewnętrzną równowagę to
poprawisz całość o 50%. Jeżeli te czynniki poprawisz o 5%, to wyniki w
świecie zewnętrznym będą o 500% lepsze. Jeżeli Poprawisz to o 10% - to
zostawisz konkurencję bardzo, bardzo daleko w tyle, a jeśli o więcej to
nigdy nie będziesz już musiał się tym zagadnieniem martwić w tym kontekście,
natomiast dojdzie problem co zrobić z "nadmiarem". Do tego wskazówki
techniczne to tylko dodatek. W Twoim wieku nie koncentrowałbym się
nadmiernie na "sztuczkach" typu jak przez kilkanaście minut spowodować, że
laska ma wrażenie jakby Cię znała od dawna, bo raz- możesz mieć trudności z
wcieleniem ich w życie a dwa możesz stracić całościowe spojrzenie i stać się
"dupkiem zwykłym z dynamitem w ręce". Wierzę, że Ci to nie grozi. Polecam
zatem sztuczki na samym sobie na początek a dopiero za jakiś czas zobaczysz,
że właściwie do "normalnego" życia niewiele więcej potrzeba. Sporo się nad
tym zagadnieniem zastanawiałem i doszedłem do wniosku, że każdy , kto ma
"dobrze w głowie"to ma automatycznie ustabilizowane życie z osobnikiem płci
przeciwnej. Jeżeli komuś spadnie któryś z tych czynników to zaczynają się
problemy. Jeżeli ktoś podniesie wszystkie te czynniki to problemy znikają.
Słowo "automatycznie" ma tutaj znaczenie, bo to faktycznie dzieje się
właściwie natychmiast w obie strony po zaistnieniu zmian w psychice. To jest
jeszcze nie dopracowana teoria, także może zawierać istotne braki :).

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1. Data: 2001-11-30 00:24:58

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"Paweł" napisał(a):

> Dzięki!!
>
> > 1. Nawiązanie kontaktu (szczególnie na poziomie podświadomym). Można się
> > domyślić, że wiele technik miało swój origin w terapii. Szybko się
> > zorientowano, że można to zastosować do sprzedaży towaru za grube tysiące
> > dolarów, podrywania dziewczyn
>
> Do podrywania dziewczyn?
> A czy mógłbyś mi coś o tym więcej napisać? Jeżeli to coś pomoże to :
> mam 15 lat i próbuję poderwać pewną dziewczynę z mojej klasy.

Poznaj termin IPSACJA.

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1. Data: 2001-11-30 00:28:35

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PowerBox napisał(a):

> > Do podrywania dziewczyn?
> > A czy mógłbyś mi coś o tym więcej napisać? Jeżeli to coś pomoże to :
> > mam 15 lat i próbuję poderwać pewną dziewczynę z mojej klasy.
>
> Jeżeli chodzi o to, to moje zdanie jest takie, że najlepsze efekty można
> uzyskać (jak wszędzie z resztą) stając się innym, lepszym człowiekiem. W tym

A powerbox wciska kit;-)
Polec cos dla starszych dzieciakow...
Pozdrawiam

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1. Data: 2001-11-30 22:18:43

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Od: "Paweł" <p...@w...pl> szukaj wiadomości tego autora

> Jeżeli chodzi o to, to moje zdanie jest takie, że najlepsze efekty można
> uzyskać (jak wszędzie z resztą) stając się innym, lepszym człowiekiem. W
tym
> temacie jak poprawisz o 1% lubienie siebie, lubienie dziewczyn, pewność
> siebie, ogólną pozytywną postawę, spokój ducha i wewnętrzną równowagę to
> poprawisz całość o 50%. Jeżeli te czynniki poprawisz o 5%, to wyniki w
> świecie zewnętrznym będą o 500% lepsze. Jeżeli Poprawisz to o 10% - to
> zostawisz konkurencję bardzo, bardzo daleko w tyle, a jeśli o więcej to
> nigdy nie będziesz już musiał się tym zagadnieniem martwić w tym
kontekście,
> natomiast dojdzie problem co zrobić z "nadmiarem". Do tego wskazówki
> techniczne to tylko dodatek. W Twoim wieku nie koncentrowałbym się
> nadmiernie na "sztuczkach" typu jak przez kilkanaście minut spowodować, że
> laska ma wrażenie jakby Cię znała od dawna, bo raz- możesz mieć trudności
z
> wcieleniem ich w życie a dwa możesz stracić całościowe spojrzenie i stać
się
> "dupkiem zwykłym z dynamitem w ręce". Wierzę, że Ci to nie grozi. Polecam
> zatem sztuczki na samym sobie na początek a dopiero za jakiś czas
zobaczysz,
> że właściwie do "normalnego" życia niewiele więcej potrzeba. Sporo się nad
> tym zagadnieniem zastanawiałem i doszedłem do wniosku, że każdy , kto ma
> "dobrze w głowie"to ma automatycznie ustabilizowane życie z osobnikiem
płci
> przeciwnej. Jeżeli komuś spadnie któryś z tych czynników to zaczynają się
> problemy. Jeżeli ktoś podniesie wszystkie te czynniki to problemy znikają.
> Słowo "automatycznie" ma tutaj znaczenie, bo to faktycznie dzieje się
> właściwie natychmiast w obie strony po zaistnieniu zmian w psychice. To
jest
> jeszcze nie dopracowana teoria, także może zawierać istotne braki :).

Mam parę pytań co do tego tekstu:
1) jak mam poprawić te rzeczy: lubienie siebie, lubienie dziewczyn, pewność
siebie, ogólną pozytywną postawę, spokój ducha i wewnętrzną równowagę -
czyli to, co powiedziałeś?
2) Co masz na myśli pisząc "sztuczki"?

Pozdrowienia
Paweł

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1. Data: 2001-12-01 18:15:21

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> A powerbox wciska kit;-)
> Polec cos dla starszych dzieciakow...

Ok, mam fragment "instrukcji obsługi" na ten temat. Sam autor (jeden z
lepszych w tej branży) zastanawia się nad aspektem moralnym, bo niektóre
techniki są tak mocne, że w zasadzie nie pozostawiają wiele wyboru osobie
uwodzonej-jak mówi. Żeby nie spamować za mocno dam malutki fragment i zanim
dojedziecie do jego końca będziecie konkretnie, technicznie wiedzieć od
czego zacząć. Reszta na priv (oczywiście nie tylko faceci).

Introduction

UNFAIR SEDUCTIONS IN AN UNFAIR WORLD

Many people who read the rough draft of this book were upset by parts of it.
Invariably, I'd hear the same complaint. "These tactics you're teaching
probably work really well. We thought the parts on power and confidence and
on meeting women were great. But some of the actual seduction techniques are
down right dishonest and unfair. They really don't give the woman any
choice. Why don't you just leave them out of the book? Then no one could
possibly have any objections. "Ok. Let's get the "unfair" charge out of the
way. Yes, some, and I mean SOME of the seduction tactics in this book could
easily be classified as "unfair." And, truth to tell, I had some serious
moral reservations about putting them in the book. However, "unfair" and
"fair" are relative terms. If you and I are in a boxing match, and we are
both fighting by the rules, then it is totally unfair for me to kick you in
the nuts and poke you in the eyes. You are fighting by the rules, and so
should I.

But, if YOU start fighting dirty, I will feel under no moral obligation
whatsoever to continue to stand there like a fool and take it. I'm going to
toss out all the rules and fight to win, no matter what it takes.

Unfortunately, when you deal with women, you may often find yourself in that
type of situation. They expect you to play by the rules, but they feel
perfectly free to do whatever THEY want. For example, lots of women are more
than happy to spend your money and time, and generally lead you on, letting
you think you have a reward (sexual) coming. They talk about sex on the
date, touch you a lot, and ACT very seductive. Then when you make a pass,
they freak out and scream about what animals men are, how we're only after
one thing. Or they let you have it with that famous line "I'm just not
attracted to you." Maybe you find out that she was just using you as a
social "spare tire" because her boyfriend was out of town for a few weeks
and she didn't want to sit at home alone and look at the four walls.

Of course, if you really want to be a "gentleman" you may not find any of
this out until the third or fourth date. You don't want to behave like an
animal and make a pass on the first date, do you? So you hold off awhile,
and then the slap in the face hurts even more.

Now, any chick who pulls this off DESERVES to be on the receiving end of the
most unfair tactics you can use. You are under no moral obligation to be her
victim, and you are a fool if you permit it.
So, by all means, play fair with a woman until she shows you that she is
playing unfair with you. As soon as she starts to pull shit, then either
walk away completely or let her have it with everything you have in your
arsenal.

And while we're on the subject of fair, is it "fair" that the good-looking
and rich guys should get all the beautiful women while you and I have to
settle for the dogs? Are you any less deserving of complete sexual
satisfaction than some pretty boy who was blessed by genetics and Daddy's
bank account? Why should you just meekly roll over, and accept a situation
that SUCKS, good buddy, when you can be getting your share, and then some!

Something else to consider: When it comes to sex, women have a massive power
advantage. It's relatively easy for even a fat, ugly troll to obtain sexual
satisfaction. All she has to do is go to any bar or club, act even mildly
flirtatious, and be willing to put out. She's sure to get laid, if not by
the best looking guy, then at least by someone. It's much harder for even a
decent looking guy to get satisfaction, sexually.

FOR GUYS, GETTING LAID IS A CHORE.
FOR WOMEN, GETTING LAID IS A CHOICE.

Never forget this difference in the balance of power between the sexes. The
tricks and tactics you'll learn in this book will make you one of those rare
guys who is on the choice side of that power equation.

While we are here I better make something else clear. I do NOT believe that
sex is the be all and end all of relating to women. Nor do I believe that it
is always necessary or even DESIRABLE to use the tactics outlined in this
book, (whether fair or unfair) to get a woman to sleep with you. It is
certainly possible that the particular woman you fancy may be smart enough
and have enough good sense to want you just as you are, without any games or
bullshit on her part. She may also be sane and psychologically healthy
enough to express that desire naturally, without any hang-ups or guilt
games. You might even find - gasp - that the friendship and intimacy you
share with a lady are more important to you than sex. When you find a lady
like this, cherish her as the rare treasure she is. Hang on tight, and don't
let go!

Unfortunately, based on my own experience, and the experience of hundreds of
men I've interviewed, most women do not fit into this category. I wish they
did - the REALITY is that they do NOT! The reality is that you, as a man,
are going to be sexually attracted to many, many women, very few of whom are
going to naturally desire you, and who you can also respect, love and
admire.

Many of these women are going to be hung-up sexually, depressed, suffer from
low self-esteem, eating disorders, alcoholism, etc. Heck, I even briefly
dated a woman who turned out to be bulimic, alcoholic, and was also secretly
a hooker! Top that for a dating disaster story!

Now, you may decide, the heck with it. If you can't at least like and
respect a lady, and if you have to resort to tactics you learned in a book,
then it just isn't worth it, and you will skip dealing with such loser
females altogether. I certainly can respect that choice; it's the choice I
eventually made myself. But only YOU can make that choice. Even if you do,
this book will still be of great value to you, because you will learn
fantastic techniques for improving your confidence, meeting and picking up
women anywhere, any time, and how to quickly recognize and swiftly eliminate
all the nutty-losers BEFORE they get to empty your wallet, bend your brain,
and kick your heart in. You'll be able to get rid of the dirt, so you can
enjoy the diamonds.

A FEW MORE WORDS BEFORE WE GET ON WITH THIS BOOK

There's one big mistake that all the so called "Pick-up Chicks" books seem
to make. That is, THEY DON'T TELL YOU HOW TO HAVE THE CONFIDENCE AND POWER
TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND USE ALL THEIR GREAT "SEDUCTION" SUGGESTIONS.

This is a CRITICAL mistake. Great advice does you no good at all if you
can't actually go out and APPLY it. All it really does is make you feel
worse, because now you know what to do but you STILL can't do it. At least
when you were ignorant you had an excuse.

This book will NOT make that mistake; in fact the whole first section is
dedicated to showing you how to have the confidence and power to be able to
easily use and apply the tactics in the other two sections of the book.
We'll also show you how to use your own creativity so you can develop your
own seduction tactics that perfectly fit your unique personality and
circumstances.

Not bad for one little book, huh?

A FINAL WORD

Throughout this book, I will be laying down certain ideas that you would do
well to memorize and use. I suggest you get some 3 x 5 index cards to write
these ideas down so you can go over them as you need to. There will also be
exercises to do. It is ESSENTIAL that you DO THE EXERCISES. Just reading
them will get you nowhere.

Enough chit chat. Let's go to battle men.

Chapter One

THE ONE ATTITUDE THAT IS THE KEY
TO HAVING IRRESISTIBLE APPEAL TO WOMEN
AND GETTING LAID WITH THE WOMEN OF YOUR DREAMS

Once, one of my super-scoring buddies invited me to go to a party with him.
Not having much of a social life anyway, I accepted the invitation, and
besides, this guy REALLY knew how to get laid. I sort of looked at myself as
being one of those small sucker fish that attach themselves underneath a
shark's mouth and live off the bits the shark spits out.

Anyway, we were wandering around this huge apartment complex, looking for
the party. We were walking down a hallway when we passed an open door, and
there was a party going on, but it was definitely NOT the party we had been
invited to. This was a formal affair; everyone was very well dressed, and my
buddy and I were both wearing jeans and scruffy tennis shoes.

Through the doorway I saw a stunning blonde in a low cut dress, surrounded
by guys trying to hit on her. My buddy saw her too, looked at me, and went
right into action. I saw him walk in the door, cut through the crowd of
guys, say something to her that I couldn't hear, and hand her a card and a
pen. She wrote something down, and out came my buddy, smiling ear to ear. He
had gotten her phone number!

I asked him what he said, and he told me, "I just walked in there, looked at
her, and said, `Excuse me. I saw you through the doorway, and unlike these
gentlemen here, I don't have time for small talk. I'd like to take you out.
Can I have your home phone number?'

Now, it's not always necessary to be that direct. But it is necessary to
grasp and use the attitude my buddy had, the super-attitude which will get
you laid more than any line, trick, good looks, fancy car or fortune. The
attitude is:

I MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR MY DESIRES AS A MAN.
I MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR MYSELF.
I MOVE THROUGH THE WORLD WITHOUT APOLOGY.

Do you really want to get laid with all the women you could ever possibly
want? Then STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR YOURSELF! Don't make excuses for wanting
to look at a beautiful woman. If you're caught looking, and she asks what
you're doing, tell her!! Tell her you're enjoying studying just what a
perfectly beautiful body she has, and to heck with her if she's too uptight
to appreciate a real man who doesn't apologize for knowing what he wants!

Stop making excuses for wanting to meet a woman! Stop making excuses for
wanting to ask a woman out, and most of all stop making excuses for wanting
to FUCK the living shit out of a woman you want! This kind of direct,
powerful, go-for-it-attitude is an incredible turn on for women that can't
be beaten!

Listen! It isn't even the words you use that convey this attitude! It's your
tone of voice, your facial expressions, your posture, the speed at which you
speak, everything non-verbal about you will show this attitude far more than
words.

This doesn't mean you have to be arrogant, or lack a sense of humor. You can
be warm and friendly at the same time you are being direct and powerful. The
key is finding the balance. Once you do you will not be able to keep women
away from you.

Now, it's easy to talk and tell you that you should have this attitude, but
that won't help you to actually get it. That's why the next couple of
chapters are so important. They will show you how to install this attitude
in yourself so that you automatically find yourself living by it in your
approach to women. You won't even have to try or to "think about it." It
will just happen.

Here's the other attitude/belief you'll want to master if you really want to
be a success at scoring with women like a madman.

I DON'T GET RATTLED BY SETBACKS
BECAUSE I LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES.

I remember watching a TV show where the host was interviewing a movie
star/karate champ who shall go nameless. The host asked him what the secret
of his success was, and the karate guy looked at him in that wooden way of
his and said:

"When I first started out competing in Karate Tournaments, I wasn't that
good. I got beat a lot, but I always learned from my mistakes. Instead of
crying over my losing, I just studied what I would have to do differently
the next time, and whenever I met the same guy again or a different guy in
the same situation, I ALWAYS creamed 'em."

Look - unless you are unusually lucky, chances are you are going to make a
few mistakes as you practice the ideas in this book. And, as great as these
tricks are, they won't work every single time.
Unless you know how to learn from your mistakes and accept and occasional
loss, you will get nowhere. The most successful guys I know at scoring all
have two great strengths: They have the first power attitude we've just
looked at, and they also know how to accept getting rejected without it
bothering them and they learn from their mistakes.

Ok. As I promised, let's get on to the next couple of chapters which will
show you how to actually live these attitudes instead of just reading about
them.

Chapter Two

HOW TO INSTALL
THE SUPER GET LAID ATTITUDES IN YOURSELF
SO YOU USE THEM AUTOMATICALLY

There is one small point you have to get before you can use this exercise.
Take a minute to imagine yourself riding in a roller coaster. See yourself
sitting in the front car, riding up and down.

Now, make another picture of a roller coaster, but this time, do NOT see
yourself in the picture. See it as if you were actually looking out of your
own eyes, sitting in the roller coaster. Ride for a few moments.

Now, which one of those felt more real in your body? I'll bet anything it
was the second kind. An image or goal only appears real to your mind if it
comes in the second form, as if you were seeing it through your own eyes.

THE FAILURE TO UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE TWO KINDS OF MENTAL PICTURES PEOPLE MAKE
IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST REASON WHY MOST PEOPLE
NEVER REACH THEIR GOALS.

You could imagine yourself acting confident and powerful until you are blue
in the face, but unless you give your mind some cues as to when it is going
to tap into those pictures you will get NOWHERE. You will never tap into all
those great resources you've been imagining.

For ease we are going to call the first kind of picture, where you do see
yourself, picture type 1, and the second kind of picture where you do not
see yourself, picture type 2.

Ok. Now that we have made that clear, let's get on to the exercise.

Step One:

Recall a time in your past when you felt confident and powerful. A time
where you fully felt the way you'd like to feel around women. This can be
anywhere and about anything - a great golf shot you made, or an "A" book
report you did in school.

Step Two:

Close your eyes, and see yourself in the first kind of picture, going
through that experience again.

Step Three:

Now, step into the picture, and see the events as if you were actually
looking out from your own eyes. See what you saw, hear what you heard, and
feel how good it felt in your body. When those feelings of confidence and
power reach their peak in your body, reach over with your right hand, and
give your left wrist a squeeze. Run through this twice more, giving the same
squeeze in the same place. This will train your mind to recall those
feelings of power and confidence whenever you squeeze your wrist the way you
are doing now.

Step Four:

Think of a situation or circumstance where you would like to be more
powerful with women or more poised or whatever it is you'd like.

Step Five:

Picture it the second way, as if it were going on and you were seeing it
through your own eyes.

Step Six:

As you do so, reach over with your right hand and squeeze your left wrist,
triggering your confidence anchor. This will train your mind to
automatically call up the feelings of confidence and power when you are in a
situation like the one you are seeing through your own eyes. You won't even
have to think about doing it, which is the advantage. (And that's why
anchoring works where "positive thinking" won't, because often by the time
you get yourself thinking positively, it's already too late.)

Now, once you've done this, I want you to do it again, but this time I want
you to pick different circumstances where you'd like to use your "power
attitude" that we talked about in the first chapter. Make one a situation
where you see a beautiful woman you'd like to talk to. Another could be
making a pass at a woman back at your place. Go through the situation with
the first kind of picture, seeing yourself in the picture. Then step into
the picture, and go through it, feeling what it would feel like, looking
through your own eyes. Do the same thing for the second "learning from your
mistakes" attitude. See yourself making a mistake, feeling ok about it, and
learning whatever lesson you need so you can do it differently next time.
Then step into the picture and see it through your own eyes.

Chapter Three

BELIEVE IT OR NOT,
HOW TO HAVE EVEN MORE CONFIDENCE WITH WOMEN

A great deal of success and power with women has nothing to do with how you
act and feel about them, but a lot to do with how you act and feel about
yourself. What we're really talking about here is SELF-RESPECT.

Plenty of men who wouldn't take a bit of crap from another guy turn into
down right spineless wimps when it comes to women. Whether they are reliving
old dramas with a mommy they couldn't please as children, or are scared for
some other reason, they put the woman first.

Other guys have a slightly different problem. They may not take any crap
from a woman, but getting laid is SO damn important to them that they lose
sight of other priorities. In a sense in loses all the fun aspects, and gets
to be a compulsion.

Guys like this may win the battles, but they are definitely losing the war.
Women may be nice additions to your life, and if you find the right one, you
might even chose to make her part of the center of yours. But a life spent
doing nothing but chasing women is a pretty stupid one.

If that is your problem, then pull yourself up short for a minute, and ask
yourself if you might be missing some of the other pleasures life has to
offer. You might be shocked to learn that a quiet evening at home with a
good book can actually be more stimulating than a boring date with a huge
breasted bimbo with a room temperature I.Q.

So here's a hint for increasing your confidence with women: STOP NEEDING
THEM SO MUCH! And a good way to do that is going out and finding a hobby
that you can really enjoy. Something that gets you AWAY from women.

Not only will this increase your confidence as you are on the prowl, it
provides a great escape for when that special lady you are with puts a bit
of stress and strain on your brain, as they so often will.

Personally, I prefer Big Mouth Bass Fishing. Most women hate even the
thought of some icky, slimy fish flopping all over them, and wouldn't even
consider asking to go along with you. And besides, I enjoy catching
something with a big mouth, and being able to instantly throw it away if I
feel like it. Women are not so easy.

Chapter Four

STILL MORE CONFIDENCE AND POWER WITH WOMEN!

Here is a magic word that will bring you loads of success with women, and
get you laid like crazy. It works with all women, but the more beautiful the
woman, the better it works. The word is: NO!

That's right. No! The same word that will keep a puppy from wetting the
carpet will also keep a woman from shitting on you!

You must say no to a woman once in a while, when it is over an issue of
importance, and when you mean it.

No matter how gorgeous, or great in the sack or how otherwise wonderful she
may be (and who else but such a goddess could possibly begin to deserve to
be in YOUR company?) you must be willing to walk away from her if you can't
deal with her from a position of self-respect.

And self-respect, my friend, is mostly a matter of what you say no to. It's
a boundary set by what is not permitted, tolerated or allowed. And while it
may be negative from this semantic sense, in reality it is the most power
and positive force you have going for you. When a woman senses it in you,
she knows she's found something she's instinctively wanted since she
realized she's female: A MAN SHE COULD NEVER HOPE TO CONTROL.

I know this isn't easy. It hurts, really hurts to have to walk away from
someone you really dig because she isn't treating you right. But love can
often be like a street fight, and remember the street fighter's number one
rule: Ignore the pain and carry out your offensive with everything you've
got. If you can pull this off, you will walk with a confidence and power
that women of all ages will be able to sense. And more importantly, you'll
like the guy who lives inside your skin.

Chapter Five

YET MORE CONFIDENCE AND POWER WITH WOMEN...

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1. Data: 2001-12-01 19:10:54

Temat: Re: Przekonywanie
Od: "EvaTMKGSM" <e...@w...pl> szukaj wiadomości tego autora

Użytkownik "PowerBox" <p...@p...onet.pl> napisał w wiadomości
news:9ub721$3kj$1@news.tpi.pl...
> > A powerbox wciska kit;-)
> > Polec cos dla starszych dzieciakow...
>
> Ok, mam fragment "instrukcji obsługi" na ten temat. Sam autor (jeden z
> lepszych w tej branży) zastanawia się nad aspektem moralnym, bo niektóre
> techniki są tak mocne, że w zasadzie nie pozostawiają wiele wyboru osobie
> uwodzonej-jak mówi. Żeby nie spamować za mocno dam malutki fragment i zanim
> dojedziecie do jego końca będziecie konkretnie, technicznie wiedzieć od
> czego zacząć. Reszta na priv (oczywiście nie tylko faceci).

Autor! Autor! :)

No ciekawe, ciekawe co dalej..
E.